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    I think these are pretty accurate reasons why scripts won't sell [According to RAINDANCE]:

    1] The script lacks a defined hero with clearly defined wants and needs.
    2] The story is not fully developed.
    3] Dialogue is over-written and does not contain individual voices.
    4] Scene descriptions are not visual.
    5] The story is not original.
    6] The story lacks moral argument.
    7] The story does not speak to a larger theme.
    8] The characters are two dimensional.
    9] No empathy is created for characters.
    10] The story is not commercial.

    Now, there is a slight conflict between #5 and #10, but overall it's a good guide I reckon for those looking to write and sell a script.

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    Im surprised being raindance they didnt put down #)Writer didnt attend a raindance course.

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    Frankly, the points made are ALL blindingly obvious to most screenwriters with half a brain cell.

    Take heed, emjen.

    <font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ September 09, 2003 06:53 PM: Message edited by: SoulJacker ]</font>

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    The story lacks moral argument.

    Wow, that's a novel in itself.

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    i personally think if people avoided attempting what these points indicate, they would have a good chance of not filming **** , the story is not origional? what story is?

    the story is not commercial? i want to shoot this point!

    and i have to agree with the moral argument stuff, there is not a lot that boils my blood, but this is cows slop.

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    the story is not origional? what story is?
    <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">there is a distinct difference between being original in terms of being something new and being original in terms of not being a complete rip off of something else. Example... Lock Stock was not a highly original movie, but that doesnt stop it being enjoyable. Where as a second rate copy of the mockney gangster movie written by Joe Bloggs most certainly will be turned down.

    the story is not commercial? i want to shoot this point!
    <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">thats a perfectly valid piont... its not saying that all films have to be commercial to be made. Its saying that its one of the top reasons for the script not being sold.

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    Agreed [Beloved Monster]. I never agreed that the list showed how to write a good script- only why they struggle to sell. The reason I posted it was because I've read a lot of scripts written by new writers, including a few on here and you very often find the following problems:

    3] Dialogue is over-written and does not contain individual voices.
    6] The story lacks moral argument.
    8] The characters are two dimensional.
    9] No empathy is created for characters.

    The 'Originality' reason is a grey area. People argue that nothing's original now. But the story must have some originality to it if it's going to be interesting. I suppose most of the other reasons are commericial interests, but if you want to sell it then you must cater for them.

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    i still stick to my guns over origonality, all stories have been done, the difference one can make, is if they render their impression of that same story in a different manner to all the previous ones. if one looks at all the films that sell, they have a formula, all books that sell, they too have a formula. the formula is the same story, different locations and names. so in effect, since almost all stories contain common aspects, where is the origonality? so it comes down to the rendition of the story that makes it appear origonal.

    and concerning sale of a script, how many script writers are there in the world? how many of these people are churning out the same stuff as according to what is sellable? so far i have meet a lot of people trying to break into an industry that has no one standard, the industry asks people to follow guidelines that in many ways ensure mediocrity of product.

    i personally think a script writer should think STORY only, leave the marketing to people who do it best, let the script editors do their job.

    boo!

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    Well, the last points I picked from the list were all to do with the quality of writing in the script ie - 2D characters and wooden dialogue which are vital- so I don't think that the writer should think of story only.

    The originality argument cannot be won- that's why I said it's a grey area. Throw in the notion of genre, film conventions and storytelling techniques and where does that leave you... scratching your head as to what the he11 originality means.

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    10 More reasons why scripts fail:

    1. More time is spent writing internet posts designed to make the author sound smarter than everyone else.

    2. More time is spent stealing cars on Playstation.

    3. More time is spent smoking weed and getting drunk.

    4. More time is spent...

    ...what the **** am I doing - I should be working on my script - like wasting time on this thread makes any difference - nobody learns a thing. Nobody cares.

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